Diamondback Bmx Serial Number Lookup
The serial number is located on the underside of the frame where the pedals and crank arms attach. You most likely will need to flip your bike over. Look for a string of letters and numbers. The serial number is usually formatted like U1 or DAY16A123456.
Yeah, looks Turboish to me. What parts are on it now and we can most likely fill in the blanks. I think you need Suntour XC-II pedals, but I'm no expert on the DB's, so lay out what you have and we can help you out. BTW, never remove a color over chrome finish no matter how scratched it is. You pretty much have to invent your own way to restore the finish now. Original would've been better no matter how nice a new finish might turn out. Don't feel too bad.
That is usually the first thing anyone does when they find a Turbo. That's also why the original finish is better no matter what condition it's in. Oh, and that's just my opinion. Seadooit has a killer black chrome Pro Class he refinished, so it can be done. The parts list are as follows:The frame the chrome was black and you can still see the black in the welds.The Serial Number is 4F0018 with the baseball symbol after it.The fork is chrome but was black and you can still see the black in the welds.The handlebars are diamonback chromoly. They were smoke colored black and you can still see the black in the welds.The rims are Araya 20 x 1.75 chrome with black nipples and chrome spokes.The hubs are Suzue sealed tech chrome.The stem is Diamondback turbo chrome.THe cranks are diamondback turbo 181MM still black smoke color.THe brakes are diacompe chrome with weinmann semi automatic adjuster.
THe brake lever is black with a white cable.The seat post clamp is an unknown brand and is black.The seat post is an unknown brand and is white.THe seat is cycle pro shot gun 2 black.THe grips are an unknown brand and are black.The chain is D.I.D.The tires are Kenda comp III copys blackwall 20 x 2.125THe peddles the cages says Sakae Japan and they are black. The frame has MPT-110 stamped in it. And the dust cap on the end has SR on it.Now if anyone knows what the correct parts are to get this back to stock form I'd love to have it. Also if anyone knows of the BEST way to get this back to the black smoke color and have it look good I'd like that also.
The reason we took the black paint off originally is when I bought it 20 years ago it was severely scratched and flaking off. But you can still see the black in the seams of the welds.:32. Definitely no white parts on a Turbo. You will have to give more detail on the brake lever. Turbo's had a special lever I believe. The seat clamp should be a Diamond back, but again I don't know exactly what kind. Ramon can narrow it down for ya.
Seat post should be a Diamond Back straight post. Look out for fakes on Ebay. You'll want black base with grey sleeve Oakley F-1 grips (good luck they are very pricey).
The seat is a Kashimax suede Diamond Back. Again, they didn't sell these separate from the bike, so good luck finding one.
You can get a Kashimax suede 5 gold which is exactly the same, but no DB logo. Maybe you can have one painted on it? I think the pedals you need are Suntour XC-II's. Dunno what kind of chain came on them, but DID sounds right. The tires are Diamond Back Comp III's and possibly 20x1.50's. They had ribs too I believe.Did I mention that Turbos are nearly impossible to restore? It isn't just the paint.
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It's darn near everything. I've read where people have worked on a Turbo restoration for a couple of years. These cats spend crazy dough on stuff too, so don't freak out when a pair of grips sells for $150 or more. Sandy Finkleman was selling some for $187 recently and people griped. Sandy was the former DB team manager. Hang tight and dig deep if you really want to restore it. I don't want to discourage you, but it's time to let you know the reality of the Turbo deal.
Parts for an 84 Turbo.Black/Grey Oakley B1B's (blk/wht is also correct as the team usually ran these) the F1's were gone by 1983Chrome DC 890's with Wienmann adjusters front and rearChrome DC tech III levers left and rightFront/Rear brake cables, clear housing, teflon linedChrome DC cable clipsDiamond Back Turbo stem by Sugino, ChromeSuntour XC II pedalsD.I.D. Chain, nickelDiamond Back/Harry Leary chrome embossed suede saddle, (Kashimax 5 gold)Diamond Back Turbo (stamped) seat post, chromeSeat post clamp, my 84 came with a thin chrome model that says 'DB' on both sides with a groove around the middle, it also says 'Diamond Back' on the top surface, it has the same proportions as a Tange seat clamp. The early Turbos through 83 came with an SR clamp like the Silver Streak's except polished (maybe chrome)Chrome Suzue sealed bearing hubs, low flange laced to Chrome Araya 7X 1.75 (some came with the more narrow 1.5' '7N's' with black nipples.Chrome Suntour freewheel 16tMitsuboshi Comp III tires (the 82 had the DB IRC tires)Interesting side note on the Turbo and White brakes, I have the 85 (or 86?) DB brochure and it has the 'New Redesigned Turbo' and guess what? It has WHITE Dia-Compe 'Nippon' brakes front and rear with white Tech 4 levers, it also has the seat post clamp listed above but in WHITE.Good luck rebuilding her and I hope this helps. You're joking right?Seriously, this is going to be a difficult and probably VERY EXPENSIVE.
The only advice I can give you is to watch E-bay, this board and V in tage BMX like a hawk and pray. The seat alone is going to be ridiculously expensive, IF you can even find a suede DB seat, I know of one that went for about $1000 dollars.
A regular suede Kashimax 5 Gold is hard to come by and they also go for big bucks.I saw a re-pop Turbo seat post a while back on e-bay, don't know how much it went for though. If you can find a beater Formula 1 you can get the seat clamp from that (an 84 though) and strip the black finish off, it's the same one. (don't get an 83 F1 because those have the SR seat clamps).Decals.There is a guy in England who did a nice run of Turbo decals down to the small Harry Leary signature stickers for the cranks, problem is I don't know the guy's name. Turbo parts are really hard to come by especially the items you are looking for, but with some persistance and hopefully not too much money, you'll find them. Yup restoring a Turbo is one of the all time pain in the bikes to try and do.
Very sweet bikes when right. Pretty much like nothing else really. Like Ramon has said. Watch and look everywhere. Turbo parts are damn near unheard of.
Stems and a couple other things will pop up here and there. Seats - Bars - Seat Post and a few other things are just not out there.
I wouldn't have mine if it didn't fall in my lap. I almost toyed with throwing it on ebay and seeing what it would get. I would hate to sell it and won't anytime soon but I would be curious.
Original finish anything is getting harder and harder to come. An original finish Turbo is even harder to find. It ain't pretty though so it feels at home with me.
AirInk wrote:Why do you see some 84's with the large gussets and some with the small? Are the ones with the large gusset built in 83 for 84 release?The ones with the smaller gusette are the factory team super vipers or (pacer 500) wich sounds gay thats why they changed the name to SV.The 84 viper is a well respected frame in the BMX world won lots of races. They wanted a lighter frame during 84 so they went with the SV. If you want a DB Any viper is the one to have for a reasonable price. But the better parts you put on any bike will make it lighter any way.
OK so I signed up on the os db site today just so I could check in on the vin. Apparently there's been on ongoing investigation into these VM serial number DB's. I sent the same same pictures to sparky to add to his investigation. It seems he's trying to figure out if these VM frames were possibly made in the kuwahara factory before akisu started producing them. Another interesting fact about my frame is on the underside of the box section behind the rear dropout there is only one smaller hole aside from the bigger one (which indicates it could be a prototype frame or a manufactoring error.because there should be two smaller holes opposite each other. Anyway I'll be very interested in getting a solid answer on this matter.
AirInk wrote:Why do you see some 84's with the large gussets and some with the small? Are the ones with the large gusset built in 83 for 84 release?The ones with the smaller gusette are the factory team super vipers or (pacer 500) wich sounds gay thats why they changed the name to SV.The 84 viper is a well respected frame in the BMX world won lots of races.
They wanted a lighter frame during 84 so they went with the SV. If you want a DB Any viper is the one to have for a reasonable price. But the better parts you put on any bike will make it lighter any way.Thanks.
I have an 83 Viper F,F & Bars. I'm going to pick up an 82 Silver Streak tomorrow. I hope I can sleep tonight!
AirInk wrote:Why do you see some 84's with the large gussets and some with the small? Are the ones with the large gusset built in 83 for 84 release?The ones with the smaller gusette are the factory team super vipers or (pacer 500) wich sounds gay thats why they changed the name to SV.The 84 viper is a well respected frame in the BMX world won lots of races. They wanted a lighter frame during 84 so they went with the SV. If you want a DB Any viper is the one to have for a reasonable price. But the better parts you put on any bike will make it lighter any way.That's not entirely correct, DB introduced the small gussett in 1983 with the introduction of the Formula One and it had nothing to do with Team riders.
It was simply a re-development born out of improving geometry and weight. DB dropped the name of the Pacer due to sales and blamed it on the 'name' they used.
The Pacer was originally meant to be the replacement for the Silver Streak.moving forward it because the Super Streak.which again was dropped and the name Silver Streak returned later on. There's a good read hereThe VM serialised frames are way before Akisu stated manufacturing the Diamond gussett frames of 1982 onwards and pre-date the original Pro of 1979.Last edited by sparky (2011-10-18 12:06am). AirInk wrote:Why do you see some 84's with the large gussets and some with the small?
Are the ones with the large gusset built in 83 for 84 release?The ones with the smaller gusette are the factory team super vipers or (pacer 500) wich sounds gay thats why they changed the name to SV.The 84 viper is a well respected frame in the BMX world won lots of races. They wanted a lighter frame during 84 so they went with the SV. If you want a DB Any viper is the one to have for a reasonable price. But the better parts you put on any bike will make it lighter any way.That's not entirely correct, DB introduced the small gussett in 1983 with the introduction of the Formula One and it had nothing to do with Team riders.
It was simply a re-development born out of improving geometry and weight. DB dropped the name of the Pacer due to sales and blamed it on the 'name' they used. The Pacer was originally meant to be the replacement for the Silver Streak.moving forward it because the Super Streak.which again was dropped and the name Silver Streak returned later on.
There's a good read hereThe VM serialised frames are way before Akisu stated manufacturing the Diamond gussett frames of 1982 onwards and pre-date the original Pro of 1979.I was refering to 1984 the pacer 500(super viper) has a factory team isued frame decale on it. Didnt say anything about 1983 different years bro! CHEARYOHH MATE!!!! Myone wrote:The ones with the smaller gusette are the factory team super vipers or (pacer 500) wich sounds gay thats why they changed the name to SV.The 84 viper is a well respected frame in the BMX world won lots of races.
They wanted a lighter frame during 84 so they went with the SV. If you want a DB Any viper is the one to have for a reasonable price. But the better parts you put on any bike will make it lighter any way.That's not entirely correct, DB introduced the small gussett in 1983 with the introduction of the Formula One and it had nothing to do with Team riders. It was simply a re-development born out of improving geometry and weight. DB dropped the name of the Pacer due to sales and blamed it on the 'name' they used. The Pacer was originally meant to be the replacement for the Silver Streak.moving forward it because the Super Streak.which again was dropped and the name Silver Streak returned later on. There's a good read hereThe VM serialised frames are way before Akisu stated manufacturing the Diamond gussett frames of 1982 onwards and pre-date the original Pro of 1979.I was refering to 1984 the pacer 500(super viper) has a factory team isued frame decale on it.
Didnt say anything about 1983 different years bro! CHEARYOHH MATE!!!!You said this 'The ones with the smaller gusette are the factory team super vipers or (pacer 500) wich sounds gay thats why they changed the name to SV' which I either read incorrect or misinterpreted, so I corrected on how I read it. Sparky wrote:That's not entirely correct, DB introduced the small gussett in 1983 with the introduction of the Formula One and it had nothing to do with Team riders. It was simply a re-development born out of improving geometry and weight. DB dropped the name of the Pacer due to sales and blamed it on the 'name' they used.
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The Pacer was originally meant to be the replacement for the Silver Streak.moving forward it because the Super Streak.which again was dropped and the name Silver Streak returned later on. There's a good read hereThe VM serialised frames are way before Akisu stated manufacturing the Diamond gussett frames of 1982 onwards and pre-date the original Pro of 1979.I was refering to 1984 the pacer 500(super viper) has a factory team isued frame decale on it.
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Didnt say anything about 1983 different years bro! CHEARYOHH MATE!!!!You said this 'The ones with the smaller gusette are the factory team super vipers or (pacer 500) wich sounds gay thats why they changed the name to SV' which I either read incorrect or misinterpreted, so I corrected on how I read it.YOU DA MAN HOMY!!!!!!!
Cru Jumper Jones wrote:I don't totally understand the wording here but seems like they're saying VM is Kuwahara-made& here it also says VM is urlKuwahara-made /url (search page for 'VM' or see 1979 Diamond Back Pro Large by RipVanWinkle)They're not, recent investigation concludes otherwise. Before Koizumi used their more accustomed serial format they used to stamp the frames using VM and these DB's are early Pro models that have some slight differences.
The confusion came about when it was found out Koizumi used to fabricate Kuwahara's in the mid to late 70's. Cru Jumper Jones wrote:I don't totally understand the wording here but seems like they're saying VM is Kuwahara-made& here it also says VM is urlKuwahara-made /url (search page for 'VM' or see 1979 Diamond Back Pro Large by RipVanWinkle)They're not, recent investigation concludes otherwise.
Before Koizumi used their more accustomed serial format they used to stamp the frames using VM and these DB's are early Pro models that have some slight differences. The confusion came about when it was found out Koizumi used to fabricate Kuwahara's in the mid to late 70's.good info.